1 00:00:05,500 --> 00:00:09,190 [Music] 2 00:00:14,270 --> 00:00:12,499 so what about something like athletics 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:14,280 what's your opinion about that because 4 00:00:19,340 --> 00:00:17,130 if you divide the sports by biological 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:19,350 sex things are nice clean and simple 6 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:22,050 once you start saying we need clean that 7 00:00:25,730 --> 00:00:24,150 was well probably done better it's 8 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:25,740 getting more complicated but yeah it 9 00:00:30,470 --> 00:00:28,380 seems as if there's the team that the 10 00:00:32,659 --> 00:00:30,480 biological boys play on in the team of 11 00:00:34,580 --> 00:00:32,669 the biological girls play on that's at 12 00:00:36,860 --> 00:00:34,590 least the way it was but now that we've 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:36,870 introduced this concept that well gender 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:38,730 isn't necessarily what you were born 15 00:00:43,369 --> 00:00:41,370 with so now we wanted to bide sports 16 00:00:44,869 --> 00:00:43,379 based on gender and when it comes to 17 00:00:48,229 --> 00:00:44,879 gender well that means that the 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:48,239 transgendered females play with the 19 00:00:56,209 --> 00:00:53,010 biological females there's a question 20 00:00:58,630 --> 00:00:56,219 yeah yeah honestly this is one of those 21 00:01:00,799 --> 00:00:58,640 issues that I feel there is truly no 22 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:00,809 good solution to you at this point I 23 00:01:04,429 --> 00:01:02,129 think we've messed it up so bad there's 24 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:04,439 just no solution because at the end of 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:09,330 the day so let's let's use high school 26 00:01:13,399 --> 00:01:11,010 as an example cuz that's kind of where 27 00:01:16,039 --> 00:01:13,409 if there is a trans kid they probably 28 00:01:18,980 --> 00:01:16,049 started already thirteen fourteen if 29 00:01:20,679 --> 00:01:18,990 you're on hormones if you're a male to 30 00:01:25,580 --> 00:01:20,689 female trans person you're on hormones 31 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:25,590 your physiology does change so in my 32 00:01:29,420 --> 00:01:27,630 opinion you can't really play on the 33 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:29,430 boys because you're like at a different 34 00:01:32,539 --> 00:01:31,290 kind of levels and the boys but you're 35 00:01:36,260 --> 00:01:32,549 also at a different level than the girls 36 00:01:38,929 --> 00:01:36,270 so it's kind of it's it's a big gray 37 00:01:40,850 --> 00:01:38,939 area and so then you want to say well 38 00:01:42,109 --> 00:01:40,860 you can't say trans people shouldn't 39 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:42,119 play sports testing sports are an 40 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:43,439 integral part of childhood and they do 41 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:45,810 people develop a lot of good 42 00:01:49,490 --> 00:01:47,070 characteristics from playing sports when 43 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:49,500 young but then you also can't give them 44 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:50,490 their own team because then it's 45 00:01:55,580 --> 00:01:53,130 segregation it's just it's just there's 46 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:55,590 no good answer at all in my opinion I've 47 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:56,850 tried to make a video about it and I'm 48 00:02:00,370 --> 00:01:58,530 like well I want to give a solution in 49 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:00,380 the video but I literally don't have one 50 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:03,570 yeah no it's it's a tough one Sabrina 51 00:02:08,660 --> 00:02:06,450 does suggest trans leagues but you know 52 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:08,670 that probably works better as adults 53 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:11,760 than it does as children yeah well there 54 00:02:15,540 --> 00:02:13,290 even be enough 55 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:15,550 would there be enough or not well the 56 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:17,290 numbers are growing quickly maybe now 57 00:02:22,380 --> 00:02:19,510 maybe in a few years there definitely be 58 00:02:24,059 --> 00:02:22,390 enough cabinets only yeah but yeah for 59 00:02:25,530 --> 00:02:24,069 sure and everything I've studied in 60 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:25,540 interviews we've done you know the 61 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:26,800 hormones have a significant effect 62 00:02:33,140 --> 00:02:29,770 bought a biological may hole is 63 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:33,150 typically taller broader shoulders 64 00:02:39,090 --> 00:02:36,610 naturally more muscular and so on so in 65 00:02:43,470 --> 00:02:39,100 the idea that we have to test form own 66 00:02:44,610 --> 00:02:43,480 levels to decide what's side of or what 67 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:44,620 what support you're gonna play and 68 00:02:48,479 --> 00:02:46,090 someone seems like the whole idea of 69 00:02:50,759 --> 00:02:48,489 athletics is that we you don't take 70 00:02:52,530 --> 00:02:50,769 hormones you know that's what that used 71 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:52,540 to be doping and now you're supposed to 72 00:02:55,770 --> 00:02:54,310 dope in order to participate in a 73 00:03:01,410 --> 00:02:55,780 certain size yeah I know that the 74 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:01,420 Olympics has a really strict thing and 75 00:03:04,949 --> 00:03:02,530 they've kind of figured the issue out 76 00:03:06,509 --> 00:03:04,959 after well I know what it is it's all 77 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:06,519 based on hormones and you just have to 78 00:03:10,550 --> 00:03:07,930 show that you've been on the therapy for 79 00:03:13,620 --> 00:03:10,560 a year so it's actually they've come out 80 00:03:15,150 --> 00:03:13,630 not surprising for an interact in turn a 81 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:15,160 tional organization but they've come out 82 00:03:17,819 --> 00:03:16,750 quite liberally on the issue and 83 00:03:19,140 --> 00:03:17,829 basically said as long as you can show 84 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:19,150 you've been on the therapy for a year 85 00:03:23,729 --> 00:03:19,690 you're good to go 86 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:23,739 what you not I don't know I mean because 87 00:03:28,979 --> 00:03:25,570 you could mean you could start hormones 88 00:03:31,310 --> 00:03:28,989 at 25 and peed six five and be on 89 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:31,320 hormones figure isn't gonna make you I 90 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:34,209 don't know there are some really really 91 00:03:38,819 --> 00:03:37,120 tall trans male to females that I'd I 92 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:38,829 would see as having a huge advantage 93 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:40,329 regardless of how long they're on 94 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:43,060 hormones I don't know it's hard well one 95 00:03:48,150 --> 00:03:45,850 of my answers is that and I guess I'm 96 00:03:51,539 --> 00:03:48,160 gonna be repeating myself from my sub 97 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:51,549 for my Sofia interview but is that you 98 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:54,160 know not everything could be made to be 99 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:55,510 equal in the same for everybody 100 00:03:59,520 --> 00:03:57,510 everybody everybody has challenges 101 00:04:01,199 --> 00:03:59,530 transgender people have challenges 102 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:01,209 believe it or not there's even white 103 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:04,060 males that have challenges absolutely in 104 00:04:08,490 --> 00:04:07,510 fact I was thinking I'm really going in 105 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:08,500 different directions right now but I was 106 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:10,090 thinking about the striving in because 107 00:04:14,130 --> 00:04:12,370 what was the story oh oh I think I just 108 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:14,140 listening to maybe not oh is listening 109 00:04:17,219 --> 00:04:15,940 to Howard Stern and Howard Stern was you 110 00:04:18,810 --> 00:04:17,229 know famously if you listen to him at 111 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:18,820 all he went to a mostly black high 112 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:20,530 school and he talked about how he used 113 00:04:24,570 --> 00:04:23,289 to get his butt kicked by by blacks in 114 00:04:26,820 --> 00:04:24,580 ice cream he said yeah I remember when 115 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:26,830 Martin Luther King was killing oh boy 116 00:04:30,869 --> 00:04:29,680 getting a beating today some black guys 117 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:30,879 are gonna want to take it out on a white 118 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:34,960 guy that day but you know what I I went 119 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:37,210 to some pretty rough public schools and 120 00:04:41,490 --> 00:04:38,770 I got into some altercation in fact and 121 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:41,500 I can tell you that more White's got 122 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:44,050 beat up for being white than blacks got 123 00:04:46,529 --> 00:04:45,490 beat up for being black at least when I 124 00:04:48,270 --> 00:04:46,539 was in high school I'm not talking about 125 00:04:50,159 --> 00:04:48,280 Alabama down in the south but I missed 126 00:04:53,189 --> 00:04:50,169 argument when I would I grew up and he's 127 00:04:56,369 --> 00:04:53,199 not he's nodding his head too so you 128 00:04:58,290 --> 00:04:56,379 know everybody's got challenges to deal 129 00:05:00,360 --> 00:04:58,300 with some more than others and we can't 130 00:05:02,550 --> 00:05:00,370 turn everything upside down to make sure 131 00:05:03,809 --> 00:05:02,560 that there's everything's the playing 132 00:05:05,999 --> 00:05:03,819 field that's absolutely the same for 133 00:05:07,589 --> 00:05:06,009 everybody I think that yeah we're going 134 00:05:09,540 --> 00:05:07,599 down a dangerous road when we try to do 135 00:05:14,570 --> 00:05:09,550 that absolutely and here's a really 136 00:05:17,339 --> 00:05:14,580 great example of it my brother is 137 00:05:18,869 --> 00:05:17,349 straight male should have every 138 00:05:21,809 --> 00:05:18,879 advantage in life over me right 139 00:05:24,059 --> 00:05:21,819 technically he's in jail his life is 140 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:24,069 messed up but I'm the one that's been 141 00:05:27,179 --> 00:05:26,020 honestly pretty successful for my age 142 00:05:28,649 --> 00:05:27,189 and I'm the one that makes my parents 143 00:05:30,779 --> 00:05:28,659 proud I'm the one that maybe you know 144 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:30,789 statistically shouldn't have right I 145 00:05:34,290 --> 00:05:32,770 think my mom is always surprised by it 146 00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:34,300 she's like how are you the one who's 147 00:05:39,719 --> 00:05:36,520 like doing well and like all this stuff 148 00:05:42,180 --> 00:05:39,729 so it's like it just comes down to the 149 00:05:43,469 --> 00:05:42,190 person and same with even just within 150 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:43,479 the trans community some trans people 151 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:46,449 have it way harder like if I if I was 65 152 00:05:50,939 --> 00:05:48,849 I'd have it harder no it's just stop 153 00:05:52,409 --> 00:05:50,949 grouping people together and treat us as 154 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:52,419 individuals I know that's one of your 155 00:05:57,719 --> 00:05:55,930 big critiques of the left and and in how 156 00:06:01,890 --> 00:05:57,729 I would think in your opinion that the 157 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:01,900 left uses the trans community absolutely 158 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:05,050 I often say like trans is used just like 159 00:06:10,769 --> 00:06:08,050 the political football it's it's it's 160 00:06:13,170 --> 00:06:10,779 it's been weaponized and it's been also 161 00:06:14,850 --> 00:06:13,180 monetized by both sides and it's kind of 162 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:14,860 become this thing that's like it's like 163 00:06:20,610 --> 00:06:17,500 a it's like a talking point rather than 164 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:20,620 like we're talking about people and the 165 00:06:24,749 --> 00:06:22,330 left should not have monopoly on a group 166 00:06:26,670 --> 00:06:24,759 of people like what seems like the left 167 00:06:29,010 --> 00:06:26,680 is always looking for an oppressed group 168 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:29,020 that they can be the defenders of and 169 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:30,550 that's why they don't want to let go of 170 00:06:34,350 --> 00:06:32,289 the black community they want the black 171 00:06:36,059 --> 00:06:34,360 community to believe that racism is 172 00:06:38,189 --> 00:06:36,069 still a major problem for you out there 173 00:06:40,290 --> 00:06:38,199 and therefore you need us because guess 174 00:06:40,620 --> 00:06:40,300 what if it's not a problem for you you 175 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:40,630 don't 176 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:44,110 need us anymore mm-hmm absolutely I 177 00:06:47,610 --> 00:06:45,250 think that's one of the reasons why I 178 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:47,620 get so much hate from that side because 179 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:49,030 I think they see me as sort of a traitor 180 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:51,880 or you know I've been yeah if you were 181 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:53,110 to take the position that we don't need 182 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:55,330 you thank you very much because I know 183 00:07:00,600 --> 00:06:58,090 right but that kills their whole reason 184 00:07:04,020 --> 00:07:00,610 for being absolutely I mean listen I am 185 00:07:06,630 --> 00:07:04,030 an individual I have gotten to where 186 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:06,640 I've gotten in life I'm self-made in 187 00:07:11,340 --> 00:07:08,590 every sense of the way my body my career 188 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:11,350 everything I've never needed an advocacy 189 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:13,630 group I've never needed you know a 190 00:07:17,190 --> 00:07:15,970 handout I've never needed someone to you 191 00:07:18,660 --> 00:07:17,200 know put their arms around me and say oh 192 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:18,670 no no it's fine I'm gonna do everything 193 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:20,770 for you no I've done everything myself 194 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:24,520 and yeah I'm an individual yeah well you 195 00:07:31,100 --> 00:07:25,930 know I don't I think I just kind of kid 196 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:31,110 on why there's been this huge surge in 197 00:07:36,810 --> 00:07:34,150 transgenderism and as far as it being in 198 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:36,820 the public eye and it being so embraced 199 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:40,510 by the left because I've likened it to 200 00:07:45,870 --> 00:07:43,630 or made the point that it seems to have 201 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:45,880 really surged after gay marriage 202 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:48,000 approval there was all this stuff about 203 00:07:53,730 --> 00:07:51,490 gay and in in in in gay racism and gay 204 00:07:55,860 --> 00:07:53,740 marriage and and surprisingly I mean 205 00:07:58,740 --> 00:07:55,870 don't forget Obama was elected president 206 00:08:00,000 --> 00:07:58,750 saying I'm opposed to gay marriage so 207 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:00,010 all these people that want to go 208 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:01,810 everybody wants to call people 209 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:04,570 homophobes who haven't or against gay 210 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:06,130 marriage well Obama was the hope of 211 00:08:10,230 --> 00:08:08,050 homophobe until just recently 212 00:08:13,380 --> 00:08:10,240 so that passed the Supreme Court thing 213 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:13,390 happens and the left as I said is always 214 00:08:17,550 --> 00:08:15,910 looking for that ostracize community 215 00:08:20,730 --> 00:08:17,560 that they can support they realize holy 216 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:20,740 cow where do we go with gays now what 217 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:23,140 else can we look for to support the gay 218 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:25,690 community and show how open-minded we 219 00:08:30,270 --> 00:08:28,870 are well we better move down the letters 220 00:08:33,029 --> 00:08:30,280 what's the next letter on the list and 221 00:08:34,890 --> 00:08:33,039 it's T the transgender and boom that 222 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:34,900 becomes their cause celeb absolutely and 223 00:08:38,279 --> 00:08:36,370 here's what's been so frustrating for me 224 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:38,289 is that a lot of times like their 225 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:40,090 advocacy and the things they do to help 226 00:08:43,890 --> 00:08:42,490 the trans community do not a lot of 227 00:08:45,390 --> 00:08:43,900 times they just kind of make us look 228 00:08:46,650 --> 00:08:45,400 about and like we're saying earlier it's 229 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:46,660 a lot of people who are not trans who 230 00:08:53,470 --> 00:08:49,980 want to speak for trans people for me 231 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:53,480 I've always been 232 00:08:57,190 --> 00:08:55,850 the sort of person to wear like a lot of 233 00:08:58,389 --> 00:08:57,200 people come to my youtube channel who 234 00:08:59,889 --> 00:08:58,399 are more on the conservative side more 235 00:09:01,210 --> 00:08:59,899 on the right wing side who have either 236 00:09:02,650 --> 00:09:01,220 you know maybe they live in Middle 237 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:02,660 America and never met a trans person I 238 00:09:05,889 --> 00:09:04,370 mean they have negative connotations 239 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:05,899 about trans people prior to coming to my 240 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:07,970 channel they see that commonality in me 241 00:09:11,949 --> 00:09:09,920 that like oh my god there can be a trans 242 00:09:13,329 --> 00:09:11,959 person who isn't sort of the caricature 243 00:09:14,740 --> 00:09:13,339 of what the left has created and 244 00:09:15,430 --> 00:09:14,750 suddenly there was a there's a 245 00:09:17,860 --> 00:09:15,440 relatability 246 00:09:19,540 --> 00:09:17,870 and suddenly there's okay maybe I can 247 00:09:21,730 --> 00:09:19,550 get with this and I think that's 248 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:21,740 important and I do it by just living my 249 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:24,290 life yes it's like yeah it's ironic 250 00:09:30,129 --> 00:09:27,050 because as I said I would think that you 251 00:09:32,019 --> 00:09:30,139 by far would get the least haters out 252 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:32,029 there because you're just out there 253 00:09:37,780 --> 00:09:34,550 being yourself I think it's the ones 254 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:37,790 that seem to be sticking to a particular 255 00:09:43,420 --> 00:09:39,769 agenda that are getting more of the 256 00:09:45,850 --> 00:09:43,430 negative transparent it's it's it's it's 257 00:09:48,069 --> 00:09:45,860 completely transparent a lot of these 258 00:09:50,350 --> 00:09:48,079 advocates oh my god there's some there 259 00:09:53,410 --> 00:09:50,360 so that I made a video about this person 260 00:09:55,449 --> 00:09:53,420 named um I think his name is a lock or a 261 00:09:56,860 --> 00:09:55,459 loop or something like that and you 262 00:09:58,150 --> 00:09:56,870 should you should watch the video it's 263 00:09:59,980 --> 00:09:58,160 called you can't unsee this on my 264 00:10:01,689 --> 00:09:59,990 channel the most ridiculous person ever 265 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:01,699 speaking for trans people and they're 266 00:10:05,710 --> 00:10:04,490 all kind of like that and so I think a 267 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:05,720 much better inform about if I could see 268 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:07,070 is just living your life being yourself 269 00:10:12,310 --> 00:10:08,810 and letting people see you're just a 270 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:12,320 normal person so let's get a little bit 271 00:10:16,689 --> 00:10:15,110 more into transgender politics and the 272 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:16,699 parties I mean first of all I think 273 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:17,570 you've made it clear you're not a 274 00:10:22,449 --> 00:10:20,630 one-issue voter right and in this I had 275 00:10:24,130 --> 00:10:22,459 this conversation with Sophia too and 276 00:10:26,769 --> 00:10:24,140 and she said she's not a when a she 277 00:10:29,230 --> 00:10:26,779 voted where the parties are on trans 278 00:10:30,970 --> 00:10:29,240 issues I imagine is important to you but 279 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:30,980 there's also the economy there's foreign 280 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:33,290 policy there's a lot of so much more I'd 281 00:10:37,059 --> 00:10:34,910 be so ignorant to just be like I'm gonna 282 00:10:38,710 --> 00:10:37,069 vote on who has this feeling about trans 283 00:10:39,730 --> 00:10:38,720 people it's like that would be nice 284 00:10:42,069 --> 00:10:39,740 though the only thing I don't worry 285 00:10:45,490 --> 00:10:42,079 about okay but the parties do have their 286 00:10:48,670 --> 00:10:45,500 positions when it comes to LGBT issues 287 00:10:50,530 --> 00:10:48,680 and so as far as where the parties in 288 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:50,540 your view should be so I was ticking 289 00:10:55,660 --> 00:10:53,290 through the Republican platform and I 290 00:10:57,430 --> 00:10:55,670 hope this information is correct because 291 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:57,440 I got it off of a website so you can't 292 00:11:01,120 --> 00:10:58,850 always trust it but apparently this was 293 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:01,130 the Republican platform on marriage 294 00:11:06,070 --> 00:11:04,130 equality and that the Republican Party 295 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:06,080 still 296 00:11:10,420 --> 00:11:09,170 it is not it says long government 297 00:11:12,070 --> 00:11:10,430 regulation should only recognize 298 00:11:13,570 --> 00:11:12,080 marriage as the union of one man and one 299 00:11:15,010 --> 00:11:13,580 woman so that apparently it's still the 300 00:11:16,630 --> 00:11:15,020 position of the Republican Party that 301 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:16,640 there shouldn't be gay marriage it 302 00:11:22,540 --> 00:11:18,490 should only be between a man and a woman 303 00:11:24,220 --> 00:11:22,550 what's your thoughts about that I'm not 304 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:24,230 sure I quite believe that I think um 305 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:28,130 that was the case in like 2008 9 10 306 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:30,800 stars their platform yeah this 307 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:34,070 supposedly is from the 2016 platform but 308 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:36,410 but and let's assume it's correct but if 309 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:39,230 it's not then I'll correct it when I do 310 00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:41,690 my lead-in but bottom line is I'm just 311 00:11:44,890 --> 00:11:43,580 curious what is what's your position you 312 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:44,900 think gay marriage should be permitted 313 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:48,410 oh yeah yeah yeah I think honestly that 314 00:11:52,660 --> 00:11:51,050 may still be the technical platform of 315 00:11:54,070 --> 00:11:52,670 what a few people to top want to put out 316 00:11:55,630 --> 00:11:54,080 but I think in terms of cultural 317 00:11:58,090 --> 00:11:55,640 resonance and what people actually think 318 00:11:59,860 --> 00:11:58,100 on the ground level I think these days 319 00:12:01,660 --> 00:11:59,870 you're kind of hard-pressed to find two 320 00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:01,670 people in a room who really want to 321 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:03,760 debate about that well a related issue 322 00:12:10,150 --> 00:12:07,130 because I equivocate on gay marriage 323 00:12:13,090 --> 00:12:10,160 solely over the issue of essentially 324 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:13,100 adoption I have a particular personal 325 00:12:17,740 --> 00:12:15,650 view but it's not something I share 326 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:17,750 alone I think that there's tons of 327 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:19,790 studies that back me up that the ideal 328 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:22,850 environment for a child to be raised in 329 00:12:28,540 --> 00:12:25,970 is a loving father and a loving mother 330 00:12:30,370 --> 00:12:28,550 that that's the preferred method of 331 00:12:32,860 --> 00:12:30,380 raising a child and there's been studies 332 00:12:35,650 --> 00:12:32,870 that seem to have borne that out and if 333 00:12:37,690 --> 00:12:35,660 that's true I'm sure and we could debate 334 00:12:39,940 --> 00:12:37,700 that and we and we will but if that's 335 00:12:42,750 --> 00:12:39,950 true then I think that when it comes to 336 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:42,760 adoption all other things being equal 337 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:45,260 preference should be given to the loving 338 00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:49,690 male and loving female couple over the 339 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:53,120 two male couple or two female couple so 340 00:12:57,220 --> 00:12:55,490 that's the only reason I hesitate on gay 341 00:13:00,730 --> 00:12:57,230 marriage because I'm like well if that 342 00:13:02,350 --> 00:13:00,740 means that when it comes to adoption all 343 00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:02,360 other things being equal the babies 344 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:04,160 could go to the the gay couple or the 345 00:13:08,830 --> 00:13:06,580 straight couple I'm not a fan of that so 346 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:08,840 no kick that over you what do you think 347 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:10,910 um I would say that I completely agree 348 00:13:14,380 --> 00:13:12,410 that there are studies that show that 349 00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:14,390 the best possible line for a kid is a 350 00:13:19,929 --> 00:13:17,120 mom and a dad the typical family unit 351 00:13:24,939 --> 00:13:19,939 that is statistically what raises the 352 00:13:27,849 --> 00:13:24,949 most productive law-abiding person I 353 00:13:29,319 --> 00:13:27,859 think that Black has said two things can 354 00:13:31,239 --> 00:13:29,329 be sure once I think that is true 355 00:13:33,099 --> 00:13:31,249 whereas we also live in a world where 356 00:13:34,569 --> 00:13:33,109 there are a lot of babies out here who 357 00:13:37,329 --> 00:13:34,579 cannot find parents there are a lot of 358 00:13:39,189 --> 00:13:37,339 kids who grow up in a foster system I 359 00:13:42,129 --> 00:13:39,199 personally know people who you know once 360 00:13:44,409 --> 00:13:42,139 you turn 18 you're out and your life is 361 00:13:46,389 --> 00:13:44,419 like how can I could not even function 362 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:46,399 as an adult living my life in foster 363 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:48,889 care and never having parents so I think 364 00:13:55,179 --> 00:13:52,970 that you know well keep in mind I'm not 365 00:13:56,859 --> 00:13:55,189 saying no to gay adoption like what I'm 366 00:13:59,499 --> 00:13:56,869 saying all other things being equal 367 00:14:02,439 --> 00:13:59,509 right I want the preference to go to the 368 00:14:04,659 --> 00:14:02,449 straight couple right I'm just not 369 00:14:06,339 --> 00:14:04,669 convinced that we're like at a point 370 00:14:09,099 --> 00:14:06,349 where there's first of all that much 371 00:14:10,809 --> 00:14:09,109 like there's so many kids in the system 372 00:14:12,099 --> 00:14:10,819 that I don't think it really comes down 373 00:14:13,389 --> 00:14:12,109 to like oh we have to pick the have to 374 00:14:16,299 --> 00:14:13,399 know this one or this one I think that 375 00:14:18,419 --> 00:14:16,309 like no actually adoption though if 376 00:14:21,849 --> 00:14:18,429 anything there's a shortage of children 377 00:14:23,769 --> 00:14:21,859 yes that yeah yeah I believe that's true 378 00:14:26,769 --> 00:14:23,779 in fact Sabrina told a really 379 00:14:28,779 --> 00:14:26,779 interesting story she was adopted and I 380 00:14:31,119 --> 00:14:28,789 can't imagine a time in California when 381 00:14:33,219 --> 00:14:31,129 abortion was illegal but guess what at 382 00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:33,229 the time that she was born she's mid-50s 383 00:14:41,079 --> 00:14:37,519 abortion was illegal and her so her 384 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:41,089 mother thank God for her obviously had 385 00:14:46,569 --> 00:14:44,569 her and put her up for adoption but at 386 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:46,579 that point there were lots of babies up 387 00:14:51,579 --> 00:14:48,889 for adoption and there was 388 00:14:53,259 --> 00:14:51,589 discrimination against race based on 389 00:14:55,659 --> 00:14:53,269 that so she lied about the fact that the 390 00:14:58,089 --> 00:14:55,669 father was Mexican on the adoption 391 00:15:01,179 --> 00:14:58,099 papers because she wanted it to be a 392 00:15:02,439 --> 00:15:01,189 white baby to make sure that that she 393 00:15:04,869 --> 00:15:02,449 was adopted oh wow 394 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:04,879 these days it's a shortage of fuel I 395 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:06,409 mean I'm sure I miss white people go to 396 00:15:10,059 --> 00:15:08,689 China to adopt and Cambodia to adopt so 397 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:10,069 I genuinely did not even know there was 398 00:15:13,929 --> 00:15:11,689 a shortage I was coming at that position 399 00:15:15,819 --> 00:15:13,939 from the context of think nervous just 400 00:15:19,089 --> 00:15:15,829 so many because without parents I didn't 401 00:15:22,089 --> 00:15:19,099 know that I guess then if the situation 402 00:15:24,819 --> 00:15:22,099 were to come down to there's a shortage 403 00:15:27,939 --> 00:15:24,829 has to go to ones that then then I mean 404 00:15:29,109 --> 00:15:27,949 maybe the ugly truth would be if I was 405 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:29,119 making the decision maybe I guess I 406 00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:30,570 would pick the mother in the bother 407 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:33,340 yeah this concerns me again I think it's 408 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:34,930 something that is being done to reduce 409 00:15:39,690 --> 00:15:38,290 stigma but ignoring science ignoring 410 00:15:40,890 --> 00:15:39,700 these studies about the importance of a 411 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:40,900 loving father and a loving mother 412 00:15:46,740 --> 00:15:42,130 because if we're just gonna toss that 413 00:15:48,540 --> 00:15:46,750 out and say that no one woman fine one 414 00:15:51,570 --> 00:15:48,550 man find two men fine 415 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:51,580 two women fine etc and just salsa that 416 00:15:54,510 --> 00:15:53,230 well what does that mean about the 417 00:15:56,370 --> 00:15:54,520 issues that for instance the black 418 00:15:59,610 --> 00:15:56,380 community is facing we know that it's 419 00:16:02,130 --> 00:15:59,620 facing you know unwed mothers black 420 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:02,140 fathers yeah black fathers not being 421 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:04,930 there well if having a father is not 422 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:08,050 that important as they're now activists 423 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:09,760 are trying to teach and hijacking these 424 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:11,650 associations and changing the science 425 00:16:16,050 --> 00:16:13,330 about the importance of a loving father 426 00:16:16,950 --> 00:16:16,060 and a loving mother then okay I guess 427 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:16,960 that's not the problem in the black 428 00:16:20,970 --> 00:16:18,580 community I guess like a father's really 429 00:16:24,570 --> 00:16:20,980 isn't it must be something else oh maybe 430 00:16:27,510 --> 00:16:24,580 it's racism right that's not that's 431 00:16:29,490 --> 00:16:27,520 another thing very taboo to say um and 432 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:29,500 it's a little off but that's also 433 00:16:33,870 --> 00:16:31,270 another huge taboo was like the problem 434 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:33,880 with you know fathers leaving families 435 00:16:38,220 --> 00:16:35,710 in the black community there's been so 436 00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:38,230 many studies that a huge root of you 437 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:40,000 know people are so much more likely to 438 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:41,530 go to jail if you don't have a father 439 00:16:45,750 --> 00:16:43,090 we were so much more likely to be poor 440 00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:45,760 you don't have a father but people don't 441 00:16:52,170 --> 00:16:49,150 like saying that yeah well Obama used to 442 00:16:54,030 --> 00:16:52,180 say it he really in my view if you 443 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:54,040 recall when he was running for office he 444 00:16:57,930 --> 00:16:55,810 wasn't embraced by the black community 445 00:17:00,060 --> 00:16:57,940 early this is another thing a history 446 00:17:05,690 --> 00:17:00,070 thing that people kind of forget Clinton 447 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:05,700 was was what was supposed to win and and 448 00:17:09,180 --> 00:17:07,930 the black community was supporting 449 00:17:10,890 --> 00:17:09,190 Clinton I mean the black community they 450 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:10,900 always called Bill Clinton the first 451 00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:12,250 black president or honorary black 452 00:17:15,210 --> 00:17:13,839 president because the black community 453 00:17:18,449 --> 00:17:15,220 embraced him so much that they were all 454 00:17:20,550 --> 00:17:18,459 I'm bored with Hillary and then Barack 455 00:17:22,650 --> 00:17:20,560 Obama who let's face it is not full 456 00:17:25,949 --> 00:17:22,660 black he's half black comes on the scene 457 00:17:27,329 --> 00:17:25,959 and he was talking in in a way that was 458 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:27,339 kind of tough talk for the black 459 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:29,350 community about like a black fathers and 460 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:30,910 you know some of the kind of tough 461 00:17:35,340 --> 00:17:33,090 medicine that perhaps needs to be 462 00:17:38,730 --> 00:17:35,350 accepted in the community to really 463 00:17:40,140 --> 00:17:38,740 address the issues um ultimately he was 464 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:40,150 embraced by the black community I think 465 00:17:43,570 --> 00:17:42,610 frankly because he was just so damn good 466 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:43,580 I mean he 467 00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,170 just going out there and killing it you 468 00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,120 know Hillary out there who's just a 469 00:17:52,660 --> 00:17:49,520 horrible speaker and not a likable 470 00:17:56,860 --> 00:17:52,670 person in Obama's he mastered the media 471 00:17:58,690 --> 00:17:56,870 and yeah yeah he was just brilliant and 472 00:18:01,420 --> 00:17:58,700 so the blacks ultimately got on board 473 00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:01,430 but then I think once he got in office I 474 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:03,200 think that you know when Jesse Jackson's 475 00:18:06,490 --> 00:18:04,490 knocking on the door and this and that 476 00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:06,500 in the black the black activists you 477 00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:08,720 know you give the black activists what 478 00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:09,950 you want do you really want to fight 479 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:11,360 with them they helped get you elected 480 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:14,290 yeah and I think we lost some of that 481 00:18:20,050 --> 00:18:17,930 sort of related to that this is Sophia's 482 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:20,060 opinion I'm curious if you're she she 483 00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:23,750 feels very let down by Trump and felt 484 00:18:29,530 --> 00:18:27,080 that on the campaign trail that he was 485 00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,540 acting as if he was a friend of the LGBT 486 00:18:33,850 --> 00:18:31,520 community and let's face it I mean 487 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:33,860 socially Trump is pretty liberal and 488 00:18:37,330 --> 00:18:35,210 historically has been pretty liberal and 489 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:37,340 been sorry not to be when you're in New 490 00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:40,250 York but that since taking office he's 491 00:18:45,730 --> 00:18:42,320 really done a 180 she's saying that he 492 00:18:50,110 --> 00:18:45,740 lied and she uses the f-word now to 493 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:50,120 refer to Trump whoa the f-word we won't 494 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:53,930 use it on this podcast we will you were 495 00:19:03,300 --> 00:18:56,890 to the FAA chico says [\h__\h] Trump oh 496 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:03,310 oh I don't feel that down but that is 497 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:06,410 mostly because again I just I just care 498 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:10,010 so much that I'm so happy about I care 499 00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:13,370 so let's focus then on what what he's 500 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:16,430 done on LGBT issues if anything I mean 501 00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:18,190 we know there's the trans military issue 502 00:19:27,670 --> 00:19:24,080 yeah that bother you well here to think 503 00:19:29,620 --> 00:19:27,680 okay the trans military thing was never 504 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:29,630 actually put into action 505 00:19:38,290 --> 00:19:36,170 it was just words which it would it 506 00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:38,300 literally was just weak it never was 507 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:42,020 legislation it was never enacted and I 508 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:43,850 wasn't the biggest fan of it because I 509 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:45,110 felt like there's so much more I care 510 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:47,570 about that he should be doing but it 511 00:19:51,460 --> 00:19:49,370 also never happened so I can't be that 512 00:19:53,890 --> 00:19:51,470 mad about it well and let's just say 513 00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:53,900 flat out let's say it did happen is that 514 00:20:00,940 --> 00:19:56,720 when it comes to trans issues 515 00:20:04,750 --> 00:20:00,950 is that a big issue for you that but 516 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:04,760 gosh darnit heck yes trans need to be 517 00:20:11,529 --> 00:20:08,809 permitted to serve in the military I do 518 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:11,539 not want to be drafted ban me keep me 519 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:14,210 away in the last year 25 right I think 520 00:20:19,149 --> 00:20:15,970 that might be the last year potential 521 00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:19,159 drafted did you have to sign up did you 522 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:26,740 signed that too it doesn't mean there's 523 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:28,010 a draft in place we have to I think 524 00:20:33,340 --> 00:20:31,850 registering in case yeah did you run 525 00:20:35,980 --> 00:20:33,350 back after your transition and say by 526 00:20:38,110 --> 00:20:35,990 the way I'm trans now so take me off the 527 00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:38,120 list I think being on estrogen just 528 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:44,000 qualifies you thank God but I can see 529 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:45,890 from both sides I think that there are 530 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:48,110 so many disqualifications as far as 531 00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:49,610 joining the military and especially 532 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:51,590 being on the front lines if you have an 533 00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:53,450 abnormally large pinky toe you can 534 00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,799 practically be disqualified I mean 535 00:21:00,640 --> 00:20:56,480 there's so many things especially health 536 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,650 things and so yeah you know like I think 537 00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:02,480 it's completely reasonable to say you 538 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:04,460 know it's not probably the best a people 539 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:06,250 on the frontlines who are on hormones 540 00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:08,570 well not to mention you know depending 541 00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:10,580 on where you are in your transition etc 542 00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:12,710 we've talked earlier gender dysphoria is 543 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:15,110 a serious condition whatever you want to 544 00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,400 call it it's something that people 545 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:18,559 struggle with and it can lead to suicide 546 00:21:23,169 --> 00:21:21,230 and and the veteran suicide rate is 547 00:21:26,049 --> 00:21:23,179 really really bad as well so if you want 548 00:21:29,409 --> 00:21:26,059 to compound that I could actually see 549 00:21:31,779 --> 00:21:29,419 where how that would be bad I will say 550 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:31,789 the only argument that I feel like 551 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:33,710 didn't really hold as far as that was 552 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:35,210 like the whole like we shouldn't be 553 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:36,530 paying for sex changes because the math 554 00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:38,510 actually it was like really small 555 00:21:43,149 --> 00:21:40,700 portion and I think it's only happened a 556 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:43,159 couple times and there are things like 557 00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:45,710 viagra that like cost more than sex 558 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:46,760 changes that's the only thing I didn't 559 00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:47,809 see really hold that much water 560 00:21:53,260 --> 00:21:50,720 having said that like I said I can see 561 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:53,270 why someone on hormones should not be on 562 00:21:56,919 --> 00:21:54,530 the front line what about insurance 563 00:21:59,440 --> 00:21:56,929 coverage for reassignment surgery should 564 00:22:01,410 --> 00:21:59,450 be mandated to be part of any insurance 565 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:01,420 coverage 566 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:06,610 um that's one that I always struggle 567 00:22:10,860 --> 00:22:08,770 with I don't actually have a super 568 00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:10,870 concrete opinion on it because I can see 569 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:13,030 both sides I can see how if someone is 570 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:14,650 in that place of like they'll never 571 00:22:19,650 --> 00:22:17,950 really afford it if they're suicidal if 572 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:19,660 it's considered health care then perhaps 573 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:22,420 however I will say speaking for myself 574 00:22:27,390 --> 00:22:24,730 as an individual because all I can do it 575 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:27,400 was the most amazing sense of 576 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:31,030 accomplishment to be able to afford my 577 00:22:34,590 --> 00:22:33,190 surgeries myself save up for them and 578 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:34,600 pay for them myself I remember 579 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:37,270 afterwards feeling like I am amazing I 580 00:22:42,650 --> 00:22:39,310 saved up for this I worked hard and I 581 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:42,660 made what I wanted happen so I would say 582 00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,980 people should not discount that either 583 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:47,200 like working for it yourself well yeah I 584 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:49,210 I would think maybe I'll help you 585 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:51,040 formulate your opinion because I I know 586 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:52,330 you're hard I know you're a small 587 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:54,490 government person or individual freedom 588 00:23:00,270 --> 00:22:57,370 person right so perhaps your position 589 00:23:02,670 --> 00:23:00,280 would be as it is mine that government 590 00:23:04,530 --> 00:23:02,680 shouldn't be mandated the government 591 00:23:06,030 --> 00:23:04,540 should not be but I think like but like 592 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:06,040 you know private companies and stuff if 593 00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:06,910 they want to cover it them that's 594 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:09,220 completely fine right but government is 595 00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:11,050 mandating that if you want to sell 596 00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:11,830 insurance 597 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:13,630 you better cover this this that you 598 00:23:16,350 --> 00:23:15,010 better give free birth birth control 599 00:23:18,170 --> 00:23:16,360 pills you know that was part of 600 00:23:20,580 --> 00:23:18,180 Obamacare but even before Obamacare 601 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,590 California and all states and all kinds 602 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:22,720 of laundry list of laws if you want to 603 00:23:26,610 --> 00:23:24,580 sell health insurance in this state you 604 00:23:28,110 --> 00:23:26,620 better cover this this this this this 605 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:28,120 and the list let's just kept getting 606 00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:29,410 longer and longer because the 607 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:30,790 politicians wanted to prove how great 608 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:32,530 they were for the people that you know 609 00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,970 those big bad insurance companies they 610 00:23:37,470 --> 00:23:35,200 better cover all these things will get 611 00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:37,480 swept it makes it more expensive and if 612 00:23:40,290 --> 00:23:38,590 they have to cover gender reassignment 613 00:23:44,550 --> 00:23:40,300 surgery is gonna make it more expensive 614 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:44,560 but if government is gonna mandate all 615 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:47,410 these different things then screw it 616 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:48,910 probably should mandate gender 617 00:23:52,740 --> 00:23:50,530 reassignment surgery too because if that 618 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:52,750 ends up that truly is the proper 619 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:54,850 treatment for something called gender 620 00:23:58,650 --> 00:23:57,490 dysphoria then that's something that 621 00:24:00,120 --> 00:23:58,660 should be covered if you're gonna 622 00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:00,130 mandate a bunch of coverages for things 623 00:24:03,630 --> 00:24:01,960 that's what sex is that it's the only 624 00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:03,640 treatment it doesn't work for everyone I 625 00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:07,540 mean this is gonna sound kind of weird 626 00:24:15,290 --> 00:24:13,600 some people probably shouldn't 627 00:24:18,140 --> 00:24:15,300 transition because they can make it 628 00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:18,150 worse for them like I've seen people who 629 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:22,230 do wait until 45 and maybe you're 64 and 630 00:24:26,150 --> 00:24:24,210 there's just no way transitioning would 631 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:26,160 ever be effective and it can just end up 632 00:24:29,230 --> 00:24:28,170 being a little bit of a waste of money 633 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:29,240 if that makes sense 634 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:32,850 so part of it might be in really you 635 00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:34,890 know what is really understanding what 636 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:37,430 is your reason for wanting the the full 637 00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:40,130 gender reassignment surgery 638 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:42,780 Sabrina articulated the view that she 639 00:24:48,290 --> 00:24:46,290 thinks many transgendered women are 640 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:48,300 getting it's because they want to 641 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:50,370 attract a man and they think that that 642 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:52,170 will allow them attractive man and 643 00:24:55,550 --> 00:24:53,970 Sabrina says that the ones that do it 644 00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:55,560 for that reason that's toxic are 645 00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:58,740 disappointed because they say for most 646 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:01,260 men not all but for most if a man is 647 00:25:05,780 --> 00:25:03,570 looking for a vagina he's gonna go find 648 00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:05,790 a woman who was born with a giant vagina 649 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:09,030 as opposed to a trans woman right yeah 650 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:10,410 absolutely no I've had this conversation 651 00:25:15,020 --> 00:25:12,990 with my fiance which is like you know I 652 00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,030 can understand the headspace would be in 653 00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:17,220 like you know to find husband to find a 654 00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:19,950 man like I need to have that going on 655 00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:23,220 for me down there surgically but then 656 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:25,320 the art but then I think like well if 657 00:25:30,410 --> 00:25:27,510 it's a if it's a heterosexual man who 658 00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:30,420 wants a woman with a vagina then why 659 00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:32,190 wouldn't he pick someone who had a 660 00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:33,600 vagina from birth hours and someone who 661 00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,460 had one surgically augmented I 662 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:39,120 personally find that men who are 663 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:41,610 attracted to trans women are much more 664 00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:43,050 attracted to trans men than with penises 665 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:44,340 that's just what they look for because 666 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:47,130 you can get a woman with a vagina from a 667 00:25:51,530 --> 00:25:49,050 woman with a vagina if that makes sense 668 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:51,540 basically exactly what Sabrina said yeah 669 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:53,910 and I think you know so we've sort of 670 00:25:57,020 --> 00:25:55,170 covered that but it's you're the first 671 00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:57,030 person really that's refirm what what 672 00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:59,100 she said yeah and I think it's an 673 00:26:02,930 --> 00:26:01,020 important thing for people in the 674 00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:02,940 community to know so they don't make 675 00:26:06,620 --> 00:26:05,070 that that mistake if that's the reason 676 00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:06,630 you should never change yourself for 677 00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:11,120 someone else to me that's not a valid 678 00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:12,900 transition if you're doing it to please 679 00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:14,940 someone else or to get attention from 680 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:16,200 someone else there's to be about you and 681 00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,530 what you want in your path okay I think 682 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:21,520 we just have a couple other 683 00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:24,610 trans political issues and and we'll let 684 00:26:31,049 --> 00:26:29,380 you go what is the bathroom issue you 685 00:26:33,419 --> 00:26:31,059 know this there's a California law 686 00:26:34,890 --> 00:26:33,429 mandating that we had these 687 00:26:37,049 --> 00:26:34,900 gender-neutral bathrooms and therefore 688 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:37,059 we now have these silly signs that have 689 00:26:40,110 --> 00:26:38,770 a picture of a man and then a picture of 690 00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:40,120 a woman and then a picture of somebody 691 00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:41,320 wearing half a skirt that's supposed to 692 00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:45,670 be a trans person I think but what what 693 00:26:49,890 --> 00:26:47,220 do you think should be the policy I 694 00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:49,900 don't think there should be any policy I 695 00:26:53,850 --> 00:26:52,270 think policies attach the bathroom or 696 00:26:57,570 --> 00:26:53,860 nonsensical I think the trans people 697 00:26:59,250 --> 00:26:57,580 have been using the restroom since the 698 00:27:00,960 --> 00:26:59,260 beginning of restrooms and the beginning 699 00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:00,970 of trans people and there's never been 700 00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:02,440 an issue until now and it's been heavily 701 00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:04,990 politicized by both sides I've never had 702 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:06,790 a problem going to bathroom free 703 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:09,730 transition post transition I think that 704 00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:12,250 there is a lot of fear-mongering on the 705 00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:13,540 right that like little girls are gonna 706 00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:15,070 walk into bathroom and see a grown man's 707 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:16,840 penis which is wrong and then I think 708 00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:17,950 there's a lot of fear-mongering on the 709 00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:21,190 left which is like it is so terribly 710 00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,140 dangerous for a trans person to go - I 711 00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:25,600 was gonna say - yeah to the bathroom and 712 00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,190 if we don't have these legislations and 713 00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:28,960 they're gonna get effing murdered which 714 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:31,000 is like do you know by the way I know 715 00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:32,410 how much research you've done into this 716 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:35,020 issue do you know what the true origin 717 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:41,260 was of this debate no no I don't know oh 718 00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,690 I don't know yeah I'm sure because I'm 719 00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:46,000 what I'm curious about is who started 720 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:47,350 this fight was it the left or the right 721 00:27:52,049 --> 00:27:48,850 to start this and I honestly don't know 722 00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:52,059 the answer was it the left insisting on 723 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:53,920 special bathrooms or was that the right 724 00:27:58,169 --> 00:27:56,170 insisting on passing something that that 725 00:28:00,150 --> 00:27:58,179 barred I don't know the answer taken 726 00:28:03,030 --> 00:28:00,160 near the egg I don't know but now we are 727 00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:03,040 where we are and California I think 728 00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:05,320 totally unnecessarily Wade's into this 729 00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:08,950 because as you point out it's really not 730 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:10,660 an issue it's a non-issue there's thing 731 00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:12,370 I like to point out is that well gay men 732 00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:14,230 are allowed in the in the men's bathroom 733 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:18,580 so you have we're not concerned about 734 00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:20,110 that gay women are allowed in the 735 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:21,520 women's bathroom why should be concerned 736 00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:23,110 about a trans being in one bathroom or 737 00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:24,460 the other yeah 738 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:26,860 everyone just needs to shut up and let 739 00:28:30,419 --> 00:28:28,630 people go to the bathroom and not be mad 740 00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:30,429 about it like when you but then when you 741 00:28:33,570 --> 00:28:31,660 start passing these kind of laws 742 00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:33,580 California trying to prove to themselves 743 00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:34,480 I 744 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:37,270 you know liberal they can be in passing 745 00:28:41,370 --> 00:28:39,730 these these mandated laws that's where I 746 00:28:44,610 --> 00:28:41,380 fear for the community that I've 747 00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:44,620 articulated this on the show yeah I fear 748 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:48,280 backlash I miss you yeah because you 749 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:49,990 know it there should be acceptance but 750 00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:51,370 it seems like acceptance sometimes turn 751 00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:54,820 into a promotion or it's you know I I am 752 00:28:58,289 --> 00:28:55,929 concerned I think that some of these 753 00:28:59,520 --> 00:28:58,299 athlete rules that you and I we strut 754 00:29:01,080 --> 00:28:59,530 you and I both struggle with how do you 755 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:01,090 deal with it but you know when you've 756 00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,010 got transgendered women winning the 757 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:04,960 state championship in track and taking 758 00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:07,090 scholarships away and so on and then 759 00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:08,740 people see when they take their children 760 00:29:13,289 --> 00:29:10,270 to go to the bathroom and Santa Monica 761 00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:13,299 as I did I don't have children but I say 762 00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:14,980 children because you know a child sees 763 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:16,630 this sign with a transgender person and 764 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:20,130 now a parent is put in the position that 765 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:22,809 now they have to explain transgenderism 766 00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:24,970 potentially to a child that may be the 767 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:26,830 parent wasn't ready to address that with 768 00:29:32,610 --> 00:29:29,290 the child so these laws you know I think 769 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:32,620 are pushing out ahead further than the 770 00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:34,750 necessary absolutely because it was 771 00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,520 never really an issue until recently I 772 00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:38,320 mean there have always been really sad 773 00:29:42,810 --> 00:29:40,150 scary incidents of like trans people 774 00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,820 going in restrooms and getting assaulted 775 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:44,320 or harassed or whatever for being in 776 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:47,530 there but but that's but that's really 777 00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,710 far and few in between I think now more 778 00:29:54,539 --> 00:29:52,480 than ever there actually is an issue now 779 00:29:57,180 --> 00:29:54,549 people are almost on the lookout people 780 00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:57,190 who want to enact some sort of like you 781 00:29:59,580 --> 00:29:57,340 know 782 00:30:01,919 --> 00:29:59,590 gotcha to a trans person I've seen news 783 00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:01,929 articles and videos or biological women 784 00:30:05,310 --> 00:30:03,340 are ripped out of bathrooms because they 785 00:30:07,289 --> 00:30:05,320 look like men and it's just a woman it's 786 00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:07,299 just like Oakland was a lesbian just a 787 00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:09,880 masculine woman there was one like a 788 00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:11,380 police officer literally went into the 789 00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:14,500 bathroom like told this biological woman 790 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:15,880 who just looked kind of rough 791 00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:17,530 let she had to show her ID or get out 792 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:20,110 and he took her a bath room so it's just 793 00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:23,530 adding so much unnecessary tension and 794 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:26,350 conflict in my opinion okay the last one 795 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:28,809 is the the baking the cake how do you 796 00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:30,400 feel about the person who doesn't wanna 797 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:32,140 the Baker that doesn't want to bake the 798 00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:33,330 cake for the gay wedding 799 00:30:39,419 --> 00:30:35,620 leave the Christians alone and leave the 800 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:39,429 gays alone oh my god listen if I if 801 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:40,570 there was some place I knew didn't want 802 00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,370 to serve me I wouldn't go if it was some 803 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:44,080 huge I could epidemic where you couldn't 804 00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:46,330 find anywhere to serve you then okay 805 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:47,950 maybe we should maybe like 806 00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:49,450 check the Christians a little bit but 807 00:30:53,910 --> 00:30:51,190 just don't go places don't want to serve 808 00:30:55,170 --> 00:30:53,920 you and and also Christian stop maybe 809 00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:55,180 not make a huge deal about it either 810 00:30:59,250 --> 00:30:56,740 it's like people just need to learn how